By Rosabel Zohfeld | Rosabel Unscripted | Companion article to the conversation with Alan Bodnar
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What if the thought that just punched you in the chest was not you? What if the snap reply, the 2 a.m. spiral, and the habit you swore you were done with were generated by a self-driving system that answers first, while you climb into the passenger seat and call the result identity?
On Rosabel Unscripted, I sat down with neurophilosopher and author Alan Bodnar to talk about the sentence at the center of his work: you are not broken. You are asleep at the wheel. There is a way to take it back.
Bodnar lives and works in Toronto. His official media kit puts the promise in plain language. Most of your life runs on a self-driving system that generates the first response. That system wires patterns through attention and repetition, then runs them automatically, especially under pressure. When the system gets loud, the driver goes quiet, and automatic reactions start to feel like identity.
The book that came out of that decade of work is The Self-Driving You: Awaken the Driver Within to Rewire Your Brain and Transform Your Life. Bodnar calls it a technical manual for the human vehicle, built from a ten-year, 10,000-hour research project on neuroscience, artificial intelligence, and mindfulness, then tested on his own habits. The audience he names is exact: overthinkers, anxious achievers, and anyone tired of fighting themselves. Start at theselfdrivingyou.com.
This companion piece pulls seven practical ways out of our conversation and his framework. If you have been prosecuting yourself for patterns that fire before you even notice them, start here.
1. Asleep at the Wheel Is Not a Character Flaw
Most self-help starts with a verdict. You lack discipline. You are too much in your head. You keep choosing the thing you said you would not choose. Bodnar starts somewhere kinder and more accurate.
You are not broken. You are asleep at the wheel. That does not mean you are lazy. It means a fast, always-on system is doing most of the driving, and the slower system you call “I” is intermittent. You still have a driver. The driver is just not on duty for the first response.
This is the same dignity we return to in other episodes of this show. In Your Body Is Not Broken, the argument is that chronic pain is often adaptation, not proof of a defective person. Here the argument is that automatic thoughts, cravings, and snap judgments are often the vehicle, not the driver. Shame is a terrible steering wheel. Supervision is a better one.
Bodnar spent years as a cable technician while a quieter pain kept telling him he was not living up to his potential. He did not fix that pain by attacking his character. He fixed it by studying how the brain actually learns, then applying what he learned for thousands of hours. The first powerful shift is semantic and neurological at once: stop calling the autopilot “who I am.”
2. Two Systems Explain Why You Stay Asleep at the Wheel
Bodnar roots his metaphor in dual process theory, popularized by Daniel Kahneman in Thinking, Fast and Slow. You can read a clear overview of Kahneman’s work through the Nobel Prize pages on his research. System 1 is fast, automatic, and always on. It generates the first response to whatever you encounter: emotion, habit, opinion, belief. System 2 is slower, effortful, and intermittent. It can monitor, deliberate, problem-solve, and exercise self-control.
In Bodnar’s framework, System 1 is the self-driving system. System 2 is the conscious driver sitting behind the wheel. The self-driving system handles most of the trip, often 80 to 95 percent of the first moves. The driver is there as a supervisor, not as the engine.
The trouble is familiarity. You have been in this vehicle your whole life. The first response feels like you. You align with it without a second thought. Consciousness is on during the day, of course. You use it to work, talk, and plan. What you often do not use it for is challenging the first draft your self-driving system just handed you.
Bodnar also uses artificial intelligence as a teaching tool, not as a gimmick. An artificial network starts with nodes that resemble neurons. You feed it data. It forms patterns. Early patterns are clumsy. Over time, in the name of a goal, they become functional. The human brain is vastly more complex than current AI, but the learning logic is similar enough to be useful: information in, connections formed, patterns that start driving behavior.
That is why “rewire your brain” is both true and oversold. Plasticity is real. Neurons that fire together wire together. Patterns you do not use weaken. Some survival patterns arrive already hardwired. The rest is trained by experience, especially by where attention goes before the executive network is even mature. That network does not fully come online until the mid to late twenties. Early life wires a lot of the self-driving system without your consent.
3. Automatic Reactions Feel Like Identity When You Are Asleep at the Wheel
If someone has told you that you live too much in your head, Bodnar wants you to hear the science differently. Many of those thoughts are not authored in the moment. They are circuits firing outside awareness. His media kit names this as a core interview topic for a reason: we mistake automatic reactions for identity.
One of those circuits is the default mode network, the set of regions that tends to come online when you are idle: the shower, the commute, the edge of sleep. Mind-wandering and rumination often ride that network. You can attach to those thoughts or you can notice them. Most of us attach. Then we personalize. Then we call the loop a personality.
This is why people who want to retrain the nervous system often get further with depersonalization than with self-attack. The question is not “Why am I like this?” The better questions are smaller and less theatrical. Where did that thought come from? Do I have to go with it? Is this response actually true, especially if it is fear?
Fear, in this framework, is a fundamental self-driving response. It can be wired through experience. It will still show up. “Have no fear” is not a serious instruction for a nervous system that was built to keep you alive. The workable move is to recognize the cue, name the response, and take the next action anyway. Fear can be present. It does not have to drive.
Bodnar’s own example is work anger. The same triggers kept lighting him up. He put a piece of tape in his workspace that said “go to your breath.” Every time the automatic surge arrived, he looked at the tape and moved attention to breathing. Slowly the identity of “I am the person who explodes at work” loosened. The environment did not change first. The relationship to the first response did.
4. Willpower Fails While You Remain Asleep at the Wheel
Why do you do the thing you consciously do not want to do? Because automatic behaviors do not cost effort, and the brain prefers the cheaper option. Attention costs energy. System 1 is the go-to. Willpower is System 2 trying to hold the door shut on a pattern that is still firing.
Bodnar’s honest report on coffee cravings is useful because it is not glamorous. When he only said no, the urge built. Eventually it broke through. When he placed attention on the sensation underneath the craving, or on the breath, he was no longer feeding the original loop. He was not fighting the word “coffee.” He was moving the spotlight.
Cues matter. The smell of coffee when his wife made a pot downstairs was enough to start the self-driving sequence. Awareness of the cue is the opening. Deliberate attention is the interruption. Repetition is what eventually weakens the old pattern and grows a new one.
I offered him a smaller version of the same experiment. I used to resent a long walk from a parking lot to a job. The road did not change. The clock did not change. The moment I moved attention off the complaint, the problem stopped being a problem. Same pavement. Different driver.
This is also why decision fatigue is not only a planner problem. Some of what we call fatigue is the residue of going with every first response, then spending the rest of the day cleaning up after it. You cannot out-organize a system you refuse to supervise.
5. Deliberate Attention Is How You Stop Being Asleep at the Wheel
If the article had to leave you with one practice, this would be it. Bodnar treats mindfulness as mental training, which is what the tradition already called it. The mechanism is deliberate attention: you decide where attention goes instead of letting the self-driving system decide for you.
His official one-rep is short enough to use in a hallway. When stress hits the accelerator, tap the body’s built-in brake: a slow exhale, notice the urge, choose one next move. That is the whole drill. You do not need a retreat. You need a rep.
An automatic thought says get the coffee. You can attach and follow it. You can also place attention on the breath, or on the raw sensation under the craving, and sit there without taking the action. That interruption stops the old pattern from firing all the way through. Repeat it and you begin to wire something else in its place.
He is careful not to sell a slogan. Plasticity takes time. Some patterns, especially craving, are stubborn. He has shifted fear, anxiety, anger, and frustration more than he has perfected every habit. The work is lifelong. That is not failure. That is what an impartial learning network does. It keeps learning whatever you keep practicing.
One starter drill from the book and the episode: when a strong emotion arrives, count. Some mindfulness teachers say an emotion’s raw wave is brief, on the order of a minute and a half, and that we lengthen it by feeding it attention. Bodnar started counting toward 90. Often by 40 the charge had already moved. The hard part is not the counting. The hard part is remembering to do it while the self-driving system is already mid-sentence.
Breath is the other on-ramp. Slowing the breath is a practical way to apply a parasympathetic brake. You do not have to win an argument with fear. You can sit with the sensation as it rises and falls. That is the same family of work we keep returning to on this show, whether the topic is pain, fatigue, or a stuck cell danger response. Safety is trained. It is not announced once and then permanent.
6. Free Will Shows Up When You Are No Longer Asleep at the Wheel
Bodnar does not treat free will as a campus debate. He treats it as a live operating question. The self-driving system creates the first responses. Free will has a job at the point of supervision. If consciousness is engaged, you can go with the response or decline it. If consciousness is not reflecting, the response still runs. You technically had a choice. You did not use it.
Think of a self-driving car that handles most of the route and hands you the wheel when it is stuck. You are watching the whole time. That watching is the opening for agency. More use of consciousness does not mean more grinding. It means more moments where the first draft is reviewed before it becomes a life.
This is also why the framework is not for self-excuse. Bodnar’s intention is the opposite. He wants people to stop attaching to painful automatic thoughts, regulate better, and aim the network toward health and skill. A miscalibrated self-driving system, especially after an unstable upbringing or repeated trauma, can keep hitting the sympathetic accelerator. “Just be less stressed” is thin advice when the stress is firing outside awareness and then getting adopted as identity. Separation first. Then the brake.
Misuse would look like using the metaphor to dodge responsibility. The actual claim is sharper. You are not the author of every first thought. You are responsible for what you reinforce.
7. Seven Days to Practice Not Being Asleep at the Wheel
Mastery talk can wait one week. Bodnar is clear that expertise in any domain takes on the order of 10,000 hours of deliberate attention, the kind of attention you use when you are first learning, complete with mistakes. The brain does not ask if you are worthy. It makes connections. Place attention on a craft for long enough and the pattern tunes. Place attention on rumination for long enough and that pattern tunes too.
He wrote for thousands of hours. He listened to audiobooks on his commute. He did not feel qualified. The thought “who do you think you are” kept arriving. He treated it as a self-driving response, opened the laptop, and wrote anyway. That is the success half of his message. Well-being is learning to live in the vehicle with less unnecessary pain. Potential is what happens when the same network is trained on purpose.
If you only keep one practice after this episode, run his official one-rep for seven days.
- Pick one recurring cue. Coffee. The parking lot. The email that spikes your chest. Write it down.
- When the cue hits, name it quietly: this is a self-driving response. You do not have to agree with it.
- Tap the brake. Slow exhale. Notice the urge. Do not argue with it.
- Choose one next move that is not the automatic one. Small is enough.
- At night, write one sentence about a moment you interrupted the first response. That sentence is a rep.
- If it feels like nothing is working, look backward. Name one pattern that already changed. Progress is easy to miss when a remaining craving is loud.
- On day seven, decide only the next seven days. Mastery is a long road. Supervision starts today.
If you have tried everything and no longer trust the possibility of change, Bodnar’s answer is not a pep talk. It is new information plus new experience. He did not agree with many of the ideas in his own book the first time he heard them. He had to listen again, apply them, and collect evidence from his own life. The network learns from what it is fed. Feed it one different input.
Connect With Alan Bodnar and Take the Wheel
If a pattern you have been treating like a personality just got a new name, that is the point of this work. Stop prosecuting yourself. Start supervising the system. Get the book. Visit the site. Then take one slow breath and one chosen next move.
Book: The Self-Driving You: Awaken the Driver Within to Rewire Your Brain and Transform Your Life is available in print and audio. Built from research. Tested in real life. Start at theselfdrivingyou.com or order the Kindle edition on Amazon. It is also on Audible.
- Website and contact form: https://www.theselfdrivingyou.com/
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Rosabel Zohfeld, APRN, MSN-Ed, NP-C, is a neurology nurse practitioner, neuroscience educator, and host of Rosabel Unscripted. She writes at the intersection of brain science and human resilience. This article is for education only.





